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Poster: jjoops Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1968 Re-Date

http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/05/gd-at-eagles-auditorium-seattle-wa.html

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 1, 2010 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1968 Re-Date

That article lays it out very well. Good timing!

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Poster: Arck Date: Jun 1, 2010 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1968 Re-Date

I'm of the opinion that, while nothing is 100% conclusive, the lack of any evidence of shows on 22 and 23/01, aside from the tape labelling, is pretty convincing on its own bearing in mind that other shows at Eagles Auditorium were covered quite extensively in local media.

Based on the articles, we can also conclude or extrapolate a couple of things about the 26 and 27/01 shows which, whatever else we think, must have occurred.

Lovelight started the show on 27/01 - this is not inconsistent with the Road Trips release including a Lovelight from "23/01", especially as the preceding Eleven does not segue into Lovelight. Rather than Eleven stops and is faded down and Lovelight sounds like a cold start. Not proof, just favourable circumstantial evidence.

It is also suggested there were multiple sets from QMS and the Dead at least at the 27/01 show - this is not particularly significant other than that it is (very, very) circumstantial evidence in favour of my 'Spanish Jam at the end of one tape and the beginning of another' proposal. If we have a look at what songs we have from "23/01" and "27/01", place Lovelight at the start, then construct one of several likely setlists, we get something like this:

Lovelight, Viola Lee Blues, BIODTL, Hurts Me Too, Dark Star> China> Eleven
(all of which appear on RTV2N2 and were apparently newly discovered), then...

TIFTOO> Clementine> New Potato Caboose> Born Cross-Eyed> Spanish Jam
(all of which were already in circulation before the recent discovery).

I realise this is completely arbitrary and that I have arranged the setlist to suit my argument but it proves that it's possible, i.e. that the newly discovered reel contained the 'first set', the existing reel contained most of the second set and that the "27/01" material is the end of Spanish Jam from the existing "23/01" tape.

Even if you don't accept the "27/01" fragment is the end of the Spanish Jam from "23/01", I think it's feasible that the newly discovered tape was set 1 and the existing tape was set 2.

I need a good chunk of time to expand on my Spanish Jam from "27/01" discussion but it's good to get further confirmation that the 26 and 27/01 shows did take place.

Just a thought: why is it that we have to assume the band played somewhere between 20/01 and 26/01? Is it not possible that the band played in San Francisco on 17/01, travelled to Eureka for the 20/01 show, returned to San Francisco for rehearsal, work on existing Anthem tapes, etc, then began the tour on 26/01? I know the poster proves the 20/01 show was part of the tour and that it's a bit odd to start a tour then stop for a week but there's no proof of any other shows between 20/01 and 26/01, whereas the rest of the tour is pretty full up.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 14, 2010 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1968 Re-Date

I have spent a great deal of time on these shows from Jan/Feb 1968, both over the years and recently as well. Though there is a strong likelyhood that the performances dated 1/22-23 are actually 1/26-27, I cant subscribe to your hypothesis.

If the partial Spanish Jam dated 1/23 is from the same performance as that of what circulates dated 1/27, the combined timing of both incomplete portions is close to 19 minutes long. This would make the entire performance of the song well in excess of 20 minutes long. Likely 23 minutes or even significantly longer based on the fact that both partials are comprised almost entirely of concentrated theme play.

The timings of Spanish Jam during 1968:

1/17 - 15:50
1/20 - 10:10
1/22 - 10:04
2/14 - 12:28
2/23 - 7:23
3/30 - 9:52

Though it's possible, I think its pretty unlikely that the band performed a 20+ minute Sanish Jam on 1/27. The sources dated 1/23 and 1/27 have entirely different sonic signatures and there is absolutely no evidence that these partials are from the same performance, other than the circumstantial evidence of the confusion over the real dates and venues of the performances.